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Post by randy on Aug 21, 2022 4:58:42 GMT
I was just thinking how difficult it seems to be to get people to see God's love, to embrace it, and to give up their loveless lives to live in His love. At times Christianity enjoys some popularity--entire nations have accepted it. But ultimately, people return to where they want to live, in the place of their own will and choices, demonstrating love when they will, and vengeance when they feel it is warranted.
Christian nations are now dying. It's difficult to see they ever were Christian nations. Many churches locally, and many church denominations, are all but dead spiritually. They carry their traditions on, but spiritually, there is no life in them. The messages are purely intellectual, and maybe even carrying the current social flavor, which is progressive and divisive.
It makes me all the more grateful that God reached out to me, and was willing to accept me. It makes me wonder how precious to God those must be who accept Him even in this dead spiritual climate, among nations that are in fact hostile to the Gospel message! I'm so grateful that even with people dying around me in their rebellious state, I can live with a clean conscience and know that God, my Creator, loves me and is happy with me!
When we look at precious stones, we should think about ourselves when we follow God in this antichristian, pagan atmosphere. Everywhere around us the common thread is man following man, and becoming ever more decadent. But to God, those who follow Him in this dire situation are like rare, precious jewels.
No wonder He asked Israel to have the High Priest wear 12 precious jewels on his breastplate, to show how God views His people who love Him with all their heart, and who follow His word in their conscience every day!
God is clearly blessed when we are not ashamed to call Him our God. And God notices when we decide to do the right thing and others hate us for it. God will one day own us and reward us for our faithfulness.
Let us then continue to be faithful. Let us be His rare jewels. Let us follow through and obtain His eternal favor. Let us indeed be eternally grateful that He entrusted to us this opportunity during this lifetime!
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Post by foxjj on Aug 21, 2022 7:06:07 GMT
Amen Randy, let each one be eternally grateful.
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Post by Naama on Aug 24, 2022 21:19:18 GMT
Maybe you guys are part of the problem?
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Post by foxjj on Aug 24, 2022 23:03:04 GMT
Please explain Naama.
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Post by Naama on Aug 24, 2022 23:55:12 GMT
Nearly every single one of Jesus' commandments has been outright rejected on this site.
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Post by mfox on Aug 25, 2022 2:54:32 GMT
Maybe you guys are part of the problem? Aren’t each one of us? “There is no one righteous, not even one But we can be ever great-full for Gods grace and mercy.
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Post by mfox on Aug 25, 2022 2:57:17 GMT
Nearly every single one of Jesus' commandments has been outright rejected on this site. But we are here to converse and to learn from each other aren’t we? We all need enlightenment at some time in our lives if we don’t realize things that was Jesus mission.
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Post by Naama on Aug 25, 2022 3:39:49 GMT
Jesus said this:
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Post by Naama on Aug 25, 2022 3:54:53 GMT
I am very concerned for the people on this site.
Think about it Marty. An administrative tells one of your children that obeying you is a construct and made up rule and then beats his chest on how evil the world is?
Same serpent like behavior
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Post by mfox on Aug 25, 2022 4:16:55 GMT
I am very concerned for the people on this site. Think about it Marty. An administrative tells one of your children that obeying you is a construct and made up rule and then beats his chest on how evil the world is? Same serpent like behavior Sorry but I’m not sure what conversation you’re talking about. Thats why I’m saying that we should all be here to learn. We should also be open to criticism and see other peoples views
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Post by mfox on Aug 25, 2022 4:22:19 GMT
Jesus said this: For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. We could only do that through Jesus righteousness in us
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Post by randy on Aug 25, 2022 7:07:49 GMT
I am very concerned for the people on this site. Think about it Marty. An administrative tells one of your children that obeying you is a construct and made up rule and then beats his chest on how evil the world is? Same serpent like behavior Princess indicated that children obeying parents and wives obeying their husbands is the "basis of salvation." I didn't outright reject the statement--just expressed concern that this could be misconstrued as a form of "legalism." Let me give you an example, if you will? A woman falls madly in love with a non-Christian man and marries him, thinking, "I'll win him to Christ." But he persists in his pagan ways, and after starting a family begins to encourage the children to enjoy pagan freedoms. The woman, not wanting to lose her husband, rationalizes: I need to accept my husband as a pagan because for me, salvation is "obeying my husband." I must accept his pagan ways, both in his own life, and in the life of the children. Jesus made the worship of God first, ahead of the family. If we are to worship God we must not tolerate paganism in the household. Paul said that we should remain with our pagan spouse when we become a Christian to give him or her a chance to convert. The measure of how long to stay with them depends on their tolerance for a "Christian household." If the pagan spouse rejects Christian standards in the household, the Christian should let him or her go. But the Christian standards must not be compromised. That is just how I view it. The assumption Paul makes is that the Christian will require a Christian household and not compromise for the pagan spouse. Then, the pagan will have to decide if a Christian household is acceptable or not. We are called to peace, and should let the pagan go if he or she will not accept Christian standards for the house.
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Post by randy on Aug 25, 2022 7:20:49 GMT
To explain how convoluted family relationship can be, when we are not fully committed to Christ, consider this from my own experience. This older lady, a friend of mine, used to go to our church. She fancies herself a Bible teacher, and has Bible studies all the time.
But nobody listens to her, and her words seem weak and ineffective. She has a husband who is quite a bit younger than her who has some mental problems. She was a care-giver, and fell in love with him, having a big heart. Perhaps she thought she would cure him?
But the guy, though claiming to be Christian, indulges in all kinds of sins, from pornography to theft. She rationalizes all of this away as part of his mental problems--he needs to find better meds, she thinks.
But the problem doesn't end there. Her big heart caused her to share her inheritance with her daughter. She gave one of her two houses to her daughter, who ultimately abandoned the house. The woman was not living a Christian life and had married a pagan man. They were breaking up, and the children were partying in the house.
Eventually, the house was abandoned to kids who threw parties until they had no money to keep the utilities on. The house was basically destroyed with plumbing breaking in the frozen winter.
So what did our friend do? She had also given part of her own house to her daughter, who now had become a lesbian. The daughter moved her wife into the house, along with some kids who were also being encouraged to become lesbians.
Legally, the daughter owned half of the house, and even though our friend couldn't do anything about it, I don't think she *wants* to do anything about it! She's still under the illusion that giving Bible Studies will bring a cure to all of this.
Is obedience to her husband the "basis of salvation?" Of course not. But this is the kind of background that causes me to be concerned how people will read such a statement.
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Post by princess on Aug 25, 2022 14:28:39 GMT
You assume in the first example the woman is a believer but believers are commanded not to be unequally yoked with a non believer. Where are the parents? Yes. Parents have every right to say yes or no to who their son or daughter marries. Disobey your parents? Not a believer. Children are commanded to obey parents. Where is the pastor? A pastor is obligated not to marry a believer with a non believer or he is not a believer.
When authority structures break down then everyone is his/her own authority.
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Post by princess on Aug 25, 2022 15:27:27 GMT
"the man who says, "I know Him," but does not obey His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him"
"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments."
If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord."
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you"
"But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?"
"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
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Post by randy on Aug 25, 2022 16:48:19 GMT
You assume in the first example the woman is a believer but believers are commanded not to be unequally yoked with a non believer. Where are the parents? Yes. Parents have every right to say yes or no to who their son or daughter marries. Disobey your parents? Not a believer. Children are commanded to obey parents. Where is the pastor? A pastor is obligated not to marry a believer with a non believer or he is not a believer. When authority structures break down then everyone is his/her own authority. In the real world, your "authority structure" doesn't always exist. To say Christians don't sin by marrying unbelievers is false. They do. Do Christian children disobey parents? Yes, they do. Children who are grown up do not consult their parents as to who they marry. Pastors do marry couples who sometimes *claim* to be Christians, but really are not. This does happen. Your ideal world does not exist, princess. But your standards are biblical. I'm not advocating that children disobey parents, nor that wives disobey their husbands. I'm just concerned to apply biblical standards as they are meant to be applied. Children do not have to obey pagan parents who ask them to steal something. Wives do not have to obey pagan husbands who want to have pagan parties in the home. This "disobedience" is actually biblical obedience, because Jesus commanded us to put God ahead of our families. We are told to seek the Kingdom of God first, before all else. We are told we must obey God, and not necessarily Man. To say this is advocacy for sin is flat out wrong! To sacrifice family relationships is as old as Abraham offering up his beloved son Isaac as evidence that he put God first!
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Post by randy on Aug 25, 2022 16:54:53 GMT
"the man who says, "I know Him," but does not obey His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him" "Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord." Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you" "But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?" "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love." He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." I agree with all this. We must practice Christian righteousness if we are claiming to be true Christians. Rather than carry on an argument in the "Discussion" part of this forum, perhaps it would be better to discuss our disagreement in the "Controversial" section? It's becoming less of a "discussion" than an "accusation."
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Post by foxjj on Aug 26, 2022 1:36:59 GMT
Nearly every single one of Jesus' commandments has been outright rejected on this site. These are very serious accusations Naama. We have been promoting The Gospel of Jesus Christ faithfully on this website since 2018. I respectfully ask that you show evidence for your condemning statement.
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Post by Naama on Aug 26, 2022 3:08:23 GMT
1. Encouraging divorce and remarriage See in controversial section
2. Saying a wife obeying her husband is a made up rule and construct and offering caveats to smother msns wife.
You know the context was how the church expresses genuine love towards christ.
Can you give me an example from scripture that backs randy up?
Does God allow us to disobey trudeus because he supports things that would male a Roman blush?
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Post by Naama on Aug 26, 2022 3:10:04 GMT
Nope. Not discussing what Jesus commands in the controversial section.
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