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Post by Naama on Feb 5, 2021 2:32:10 GMT
Nothing in our conversation even hinted at a response about being spiritual equals. I asked if any relational change took place from non marriage to marriage in your relationship. The question was whether or not your partner quit working the day of your ceremony and you responded "we are equals".
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Post by Naama on Feb 5, 2021 4:51:58 GMT
The acceptance of opposite sex sodomy led to the acceptance of same sex sodomy. The acceptance of opposite sex ceremonial cohabitation led to the acceptance of opposite sex ceremonial cohabitation. Let me ask you this randy, did your wife quit her job and become your dependent on the day of your wedding? No, we are equals. What my wife and I are has nothing to do, as far as I know, with any points you've made. As they say, with sin, one thing leads to another. Illegal marijuana use may lead to illegal heroin use. A little sin may lead to a big sin. Perhaps that's what you're trying to say?
Sexual sin is passed down from parents to their children.
Here's how it works:
The first wave of feminism removed sex from provision and the second wave removed sex from procreation.
1.The first world war took women from the home to work. -The roaring twenties resulted after the war 2. The great depression brought what was called the biggest orgy in history to a grinding halt. -Women were forced back home. - his calmed things down until.... 3.The second world war once again took women from the home to work -Women were forced back home but rebelled and more women worked in the 50's than in the war.
4.Birth control and abortion were systematically legalized.
An entire generation watching their mothers get fixed and drive off to work brought in same sex marriage and transgenderism.
Sexual sin a form of mental illness passed down generation to generation.
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Post by randy on Feb 6, 2021 4:42:01 GMT
Nothing in our conversation even hinted at a response about being spiritual equals. I asked if any relational change took place from non marriage to marriage in your relationship. The question was whether or not your partner quit working the day of your ceremony and you responded "we are equals". It has nothing to do with work. As equals we each made a choice.
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Post by randy on Feb 6, 2021 4:45:29 GMT
No, we are equals. What my wife and I are has nothing to do, as far as I know, with any points you've made. As they say, with sin, one thing leads to another. Illegal marijuana use may lead to illegal heroin use. A little sin may lead to a big sin. Perhaps that's what you're trying to say?
Sexual sin is passed down from parents to their children.
Here's how it works:
The first wave of feminism removed sex from provision and the second wave removed sex from procreation.
1.The first world war took women from the home to work. -The roaring twenties resulted after the war 2. The great depression brought what was called the biggest orgy in history to a grinding halt. -Women were forced back home. - his calmed things down until.... 3.The second world war once again took women from the home to work -Women were forced back home but rebelled and more women worked in the 50's than in the war.
4.Birth control and abortion were systematically legalized.
An entire generation watching their mothers get fixed and drive off to work brought in same sex marriage and transgenderism.
Sexual sin a form of mental illness passed down generation to generation.
What you're doing is taking one aspect of sin, rebellion against the Creator with respect to gender roles, and then using that to explain the process of divine judgment. Actually, rebellion against gender differentiation is only one aspect of rebellion against God's word. We shouldn't make everything about gender issues. Rebellion against God's word is much broader than that.
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Post by Naama on Feb 8, 2021 18:15:28 GMT
Not at all randy. Why go expand the topic if you deny the basic element of your creation
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Post by Naama on Feb 8, 2021 18:38:17 GMT
Randy,
You said "it has nothing to do with work. We made a choice as equals"
This is odd. Does equality and choice make something moral? Imagine this: "it has nothing to do with living in sin. We made a choice as equals"
How about this"it has nothingvto do with abortion. We made a choice as equals"
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Post by Naama on Feb 8, 2021 19:34:26 GMT
Randy,
Your worldview makes no sense. You cannot value sex equality and value sex roles and sex distinctions in the same breath.
Make a choice and be fine with it.
The church is described as a bride. Is the church an independent pill popping career woman equal to christ? What is being consummated in this equal relationship:Romantic love What is this career bride submitting to in this equal relationship:Romantic love.
This makes Jesus into a boyfriend and the church into a mistress.
This is extremely immoral.
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Post by Naama on Feb 8, 2021 21:31:23 GMT
Sorry, i meant marriage equality.
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Post by randy on Feb 9, 2021 17:41:39 GMT
Not at all randy. Why go expand the topic if you deny the basic element of your creation The basic element of my creation is also that I'm a human. But you're not speaking of that here--you're speaking of genders and physical bodies, etc. That is one small element in the matters of sin and obedience, even if it involves some aspect of "universal truth."
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Post by randy on Feb 9, 2021 17:47:21 GMT
Randy, You said "it has nothing to do with work. We made a choice as equals" This is odd. Does equality and choice make something moral? Imagine this: "it has nothing to do with living in sin. We made a choice as equals" How about this"it has nothingvto do with abortion. We made a choice as equals" I'm stating, matter of fact, that my wife and I made mutual commitment in marriage before God. We each made our own individual choice because in matters of human volition, we are equals. In matters of being moral agents, we are individuals and equally make moral choices. "Abortion" is an important moral choice we must choose against, except under extraordinary circumstances. But it is only one moral choice we make, and does not even have to deal with marriage or equality between the genders. Gender and equality are matters that affect everything. But they are not *issues* that alone represent the totality of human morality. There are many more decisions to make than against women's lib, abortion, and homosexuality. We have to be kind to people every day. That is equally a moral choice. And since we each have to make those choices, we are, on that basis, equals.
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Post by Naama on Feb 10, 2021 15:44:08 GMT
Randy,
Your responses is very predictable. People always react like someone is attacking their humanity when sexual sin is pointed out. Remember I mentioned people who reject each other as a man and a woman love each other as persons?
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Post by Naama on Feb 10, 2021 15:56:01 GMT
Every single argument you present can equally apply to gays. Gays can make a commitment to GOD and many of them do so and some some churches accomadate them.
Being kind to people does not define our sex or the purpose of marriage.
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Post by randy on Feb 10, 2021 22:01:57 GMT
Randy, Your responses is very predictable. People always react like someone is attacking their humanity when sexual sin is pointed out. Remember I mentioned people who reject each other as a man and a woman love each other as persons? I do want to be almost "predictable," because that means I'm being consistent! Your distinction between "persons" and "genders" does not appear to clarify the moral issues that you seem to want to address. I agree that homosexuality and gender confusion is a sin. But saying this I still must insist that it is not the primary issue that determines what "sin" is, and perhaps you're not even saying that. It just sounds that way. My view of sin involves human rejection of the role God's living word plays in our daily lives. If we act apart from God's living word to our conscience, we lose the divine virtue that is essential to our moral living. Understanding gender roles is just one small part of this. Perhaps you wish to just deal with the "body" and "gender roles?" I do agree that liberal Christianity is tearing down important Christian perspectives, which include gender roles.
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Post by Naama on Feb 10, 2021 22:17:59 GMT
I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that your lineage of faith is completely wiped out.
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Post by randy on Feb 11, 2021 6:57:13 GMT
I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that your lineage of faith is completely wiped out. I abandoned Lutheranism very late in 1970 when I committed myself personally to the Lord. The Lutheran Church, to which I had belonged, seemed to be more of a hindrance to my spirituality than a help. I ultimately quit going. If by the "lineage of faith" you mean my religious inheritance, I inherited Lutheranism from both parental lineages, Finnish and German. If Lutheranism had a living faith at one time, they have certainly fallen on hard times today, being that they have compromised important moral standards, and have accordingly lost their spirituality and joy. Yes, I'm getting old. But I have a very youthful enthusiasm. Always have had, despite some very rough going. The Lord keeps me young of heart. I hope you have that "enthusiasm" too?
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Post by randy on Feb 11, 2021 6:58:56 GMT
Every single argument you present can equally apply to gays. Gays can make a commitment to GOD and many of them do so and some some churches accomadate them. Being kind to people does not define our sex or the purpose of marriage. What determines our genuine Christianity is our continuous conformity with the Spirit of Christ. It is the active participation in the word of God to our conscience, so that God is involved in every aspect of our lives. Without His involvement, our works are empty of Divine virtue. Gays may claim to be Christian but by definition they are not "genuine practicing Christians." They are Christians in name only.
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Post by Naama on Feb 11, 2021 19:34:38 GMT
What i mean about a lineage of faith is your children have most likely abandoned faith.
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Post by Naama on Feb 11, 2021 19:40:19 GMT
So gays are christian in name only but are not really Christians.
Wouldn't your argument that everything is not all about sex and gender also apply to them?
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Post by Naama on Feb 11, 2021 19:59:59 GMT
Why can't gays be genuine Christians and also marry each other randy?
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Post by randy on Feb 12, 2021 16:44:55 GMT
What i mean about a lineage of faith is your children have most likely abandoned faith. Children do what children do when they grow up. You can raise them up in the Faith, but they can choose to go their own way, preferring influences from outside of the family. In our case, all 3 of our children claim to be Christian. The least Christian daughter is now the most Christian among our 3 children. She's amazing! She was wandering spiritually in her ignorance, and ended up in a divorce. It devastated her, but someone led her to a Christianity she said she had never really experienced for herself. Due to her upbringing in Christianity she seems to be growing very quickly. I don't know why you would think my children are bad? I'm sure we, as parents, did both good and bad in raising our children. It was especially difficult for a variety of reasons. For one, my wife has 2 boys from a previous marriage, and they were raised as pagans. I'm sure I wasn't perfect in trying to establish a Christian home in which these boys felt they had pagan rights! But mostly I did what I believed what God would have us to do. And it seems to have paid off. Now I'm praying for one of the boys in particular who is presently in legal trouble. He also is going through a divorce, and has not handled it very well, to put it mildly!
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