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Post by BlueSky on May 8, 2018 1:51:23 GMT
It’s been said many times that Noah could have never built an Ark ( very large wooden boat ) of that size with the “technology” available to him at such a primitive time of human development. Well, have a look at this . Yes, these are stones and not trees, but we should never underestimate the mind given to us from the Creator
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Post by bondservant on May 28, 2018 18:43:52 GMT
Noah didn't have the blueprints, God did. I'm sure God sent Noah all he needed to know.
So speaking of early humans. What stage would say Adam and Eve were?
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Post by BlueSky on May 31, 2018 2:30:41 GMT
Good question. On one hand, their knowledge base was indeed limited, ( compared to us ) yet on the other hand, they had the best pure knowledge of God as they used to walk with Him in the garden, I am sure there was some amazing conversations had indeed! So in many ways I am sure their knowledge was superior to ours!
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Post by weeder on Sept 11, 2018 2:07:08 GMT
How do those measurements of the ark in the Bible stack up to what we now know?
God built the ark and man built the titanic. Everyone on the ark survived in worse conditions.
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Post by weeder on Sept 11, 2018 2:15:11 GMT
Naming all the animals was some achievement. What would you have said?
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Post by donquixote on Sept 11, 2018 7:04:01 GMT
Indeed, dear weeder, the ark design was by God; I don't recall reading this somewhere, but now I wonder about the question you
posed and consider the obvious possibility that the ark wasn't needed after all, all men and women and children on the ark, and all
the animals therein could have been easily saved in a miraculous way; and so I wonder if Noah's faith was actually being tested
and thus perhaps a lesson was given to all of us : salvation require complete surrender, unabated hope and good works.
Regarding Titanic, that was an insurance swindle and the boat was actually Olympic, previously damaged in a collision while being tested.
The deceptions we have to put up in this world !
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Post by foxjj on Sept 12, 2018 17:10:06 GMT
Donquixote wrote: “Indeed, dear weeder, the ark design was by God; I don't recall reading this somewhere, but now I wonder about the question you
posed and consider the obvious possibility that the ark wasn't needed after all, all men and women and children on the ark, and all
the animals therein could have been easily saved in a miraculous way; and so I wonder if Noah's faith was actually being tested
and thus perhaps a lesson was given to all of us : salvation require complete surrender, unabated hope and good works.”
The building of and sailing of the ark were Gods plan also used as an example of obedience by faith leading to salvation as stated in Hebrews 11:7: “By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.” As for that video concerning the Titanic, I am sorry but to me it is such a stretch of a wild imagination as to make it impossible to believe, and an insult to the memory of all the victims of the Titanic and their families.
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Post by donquixote on Sept 13, 2018 10:06:26 GMT
Donquixote wrote: “Indeed, dear weeder, the ark design was by God; I don't recall reading this somewhere, but now I wonder about the question you posed and consider the obvious possibility that the ark wasn't needed after all, all men and women and children on the ark, and all the animals therein could have been easily saved in a miraculous way; and so I wonder if Noah's faith was actually being tested and thus perhaps a lesson was given to all of us : salvation require complete surrender, unabated hope and good works.” The building of and sailing of the ark were Gods plan also used as an example of obedience by faith leading to salvation as stated in Hebrews 11:7: “By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.” As for that video concerning the Titanic, I am sorry but to me it is such a stretch of a wild imagination as to make it impossible to believe, and an insult to the memory of all the victims of the Titanic and their families.
My dear foxjj, we all have our own knowledge, understanding and the lucky ones among us the gift of discernment;
the good news is that the more asleep one is better fits in the society of men; after all, we’ve been warned that even the elect would be deceived.
You may prefer to think that this idea refers exclusively to the right doctrine and church, but I remind you that the knowledge (the truth as I believe myself)
would increase in the latter days and indeed today the deception is rampant whichever way one looks (if one can see, that’s it)!
Sure this does not warrant a blind acceptance of whatever crosses our monitor screen, but does direct us to investigate thoroughly,
to examine and cross-examine, to ponder and reflect without prejudice, bias, or laziness.
I do sense you are a bit below the curve, but that’s ok as far as I am concerned,
I only woke up late in life after being lost in Plato, Aristotle, Hegel, Jung and Freud, Plotin, St Augustin and Theillard de Chardin,
Heidegger and Erich Fromm, Marcel Brion and Umberto Eco, (the semiotic studies, not the novels);
you see in East Europe the entertainment was almost non-existent and to cope
there were not many choices, mostly alcohol, sex or books and I chose to read and learn
and I "learned" that I was an intelligent ape lost in an indifferent and hostile cosmos and knowing esoteric "stuff"
was my only significant gesture of defiance.
Until I died one day, when I was in my thirties, and then I found God.
The greatest truth is that no matter what people may think about you, for the Creator you are naked and absolutely coherent in your acts.
Nota bene :
Unfortunate choice of a moniker there
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Post by foxjj on Sept 13, 2018 16:10:57 GMT
Yes, I agree that was a very unfortunate choice of a moniker.
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Post by BlueSky on Sept 15, 2018 16:24:13 GMT
Gentlemen, we find ourselves possibly at a sticky junction point,, let’s be mindful & considerate as, .....it’s the right thing to do. Welcome weeder, to our little corner of the interweb. I am sure Adam took quite some time naming all animals, heck, we are still doing it today! www.abc.net.au/news/science/2016-08-05/how-to-scientifically-name-species/7681634Foxjj, your name is not an unfortunate moniker, far from it. I watched the video. ( I’ve seen a much better version, albeit, it’s been scrubbed from YouTube ) I am aware of this perspective and tend to think ( at this point ) there is more here than meets the “eye” There were also some very important people who died on this ship as well (a few bankers opposing the creation of FED, if I remember correctly ) Where there is smoke, fire isn’t far behind. I think if true, the video actually repays a debt to the dead, showing that they may have been actually murdered, ( like those on 9/11 ) rather than the possible lie that it was an accident. There’s much info on this, very interesting to investigate if nothing else, but I smell something rotten in Denmark. Belief is a funny thing. One piece of data for me- helps me believe; same piece of data for you- does not. Some, don’t even need one piece of data to believe something. For me, 9/11 “woke me up” to the physical ( and sinful ) world around me....once I figured out that 9/11 was an inside job of sorts, it seemed to unblind me in a way and I started seeing more and more things I never conceived possible, but seemed to be true. At the very least, there was interesting evidence, that deserved a second look. I was born again as a Christian is ‘97, so I've been ‘spiritually awake’ for a while, albeit always growing. However, I was not even remotely awake to everything that was unfolding around me. I was clueless to some of the dangers and evils/deceptions going on right under my nose......GMO’s, geo-engineering, vaccines, fluoride, the FED, fractional banking, globalists, NASA fakery, the MIC, JKF, overt satanism, human trafficking- etc, etc, etc... the list is endless! I guess what I am trying to say is, if I never had an open mind to somethings, I would never have discovered anything. We all have different knowledge bases, interests, insights, awareness, abilities... let’s share and learn, you never know what you may discover
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Post by weeder on Sept 16, 2018 1:34:54 GMT
Indeed, dear weeder , the ark design was by God; I don't recall reading this somewhere, but now I wonder about the question you
posed and consider the obvious possibility that the ark wasn't needed after all, all men and women and children on the ark, and all
the animals therein could have been easily saved in a miraculous way; and so I wonder if Noah's faith was actually being tested
and thus perhaps a lesson was given to all of us : salvation require complete surrender, unabated hope and good works.
I think it was very necessary that he built the ark so he and his family could be saved. A flood was coming that would wipe out all life, and the only way to be saved was to be obedient to the good news God gave him about the ark. Today Jesus is the ark and the only way to saved from the coming fire.
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Post by donquixote on Sept 16, 2018 4:14:09 GMT
Indeed, dear weeder, Jesus is the ark that would save us from the coming fire !
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Post by mfox on Sept 16, 2018 4:59:22 GMT
Indeed, dear weeder , the ark design was by God; I don't recall reading this somewhere, but now I wonder about the question you
posed and consider the obvious possibility that the ark wasn't needed after all, all men and women and children on the ark, and all
the animals therein could have been easily saved in a miraculous way; and so I wonder if Noah's faith was actually being tested
and thus perhaps a lesson was given to all of us : salvation require complete surrender, unabated hope and good works.
I think it was very necessary that he built the ark so he and his family could be saved. A flood was coming that would wipe out all life, and the only way to be saved was to be obedient to the good news God gave him about the ark. Today Jesus is the ark and the only way to saved from the coming fire. Well said Jeff I never thought of it that way
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Post by weeder on Dec 7, 2018 1:02:43 GMT
I am sure Adam took quite some time naming all animals, heck, we are still doing it today! Adam did all that before the fall. Somehow without having spoken a word or knowing a language, he was able to communicate with God in giving them names. Very smart and very special.
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Post by Jude on Feb 3, 2019 21:55:14 GMT
i dare say that i believe man was just as smart if not smarter..i also believe it was sin that halted mans progress and caused him to err in his thinking..the only reason i can see for the upswing in mans intelligence in these latter days is in fulfillment of prophecy..
Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
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