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Post by journeyman on Aug 14, 2020 0:12:28 GMT
I was wondering if anyone had thoughts on why Peter cited a prophecy, apparently as a current reality, that many theologians ascribe to a yet future time.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: Acts 2:20
I'm wondering if we should interpret this prophecy to mean Christ being rejected (the sun turned to darkness) and his followers being persecuted (the moon into blood). Any thoughts?
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Post by mfox on Aug 14, 2020 1:40:29 GMT
I was wondering if anyone had thoughts on why Peter cited a prophecy, apparently as a current reality, that many theologians ascribe to a yet future time. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: Acts 2:20 I'm wondering if we should interpret this prophecy to mean Christ being rejected (the sun turned to darkness) and his followers being persecuted (the moon into blood). Any thoughts? The signs in the sun stars and moon meant judgement see below Isaiah Ch13: 9-10 9 See, the day of the Lord is coming —a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger— to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. 10 The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light. I believe that when Jesus prophesied about the sun moon and stars in the Olivit discourse He was talking about the judgement that was about to come on Jerusalem in 70AD. Peter in Acts 2:20 quotes Joel 2 as Joel prophecies about an army attacking Jerusalem thus Peter was saying that they were living in the days when this would happen and he was right
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Post by beckrl on Aug 14, 2020 13:40:06 GMT
Peter quoting Joel was a way that Peter was saying look and see , understand these men are not drunk, but have been filled with the spirit. Just as the prophet Joel said when the day of the lord shall come. Peter was claiming the day has come by all the signs and wonders.
The day of the lord was a judgment day and the climatic signs of the darkening light of the sun, moon and stars speakes metaphorical of tearing down of governing powers.
Case in point of Babylon being judged in Isaiah 13:10.
However that judgement might not been Peter's main point it seem his point in references was how the signs of these men were a sign of the day has come. A sign that Jesus was truly the Messiah.
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Post by journeyman on Aug 14, 2020 15:30:10 GMT
Marty and beckrl, You guys might be right that those signs mean judgement and tearing down of governmental powers, but they might refer to the reason for the judgement. The sun and moon could ne symbolic of the Lord and his people. Darkness may refer to obscurity. I really can't tell.
Isaiah 13 says,
I will punish the world.... Babylon.... shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. vs.11.19
I'll have to read Joel.
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Post by beckrl on Aug 14, 2020 15:53:46 GMT
Luke 21 speaks about the day of the Lord, it relates to the time of great distress, climatic, catastrophic events as signs. When the prophets spoke of the day of the lord (day of judgment) they often spoke of these events in the heavens as a sign. However it only was meant to be metaphorical in description of the down fall of the governing powers . The Sun light govern the day, the Moon and Stars govern the night... These have been used metaphorical of the higher powers of the nations.
For example the book of Daniel spoke of the stars from heaven been cast down to the ground, but it wasn;t literal. He spoke metaphorical of the light shown but the Priest that Antiochus IV had caused to stop their ability to lead and govern the people.
As mentioned in Isaiah 13 the darkening of the sun, moon and stars was metaphorical of the down fall of Babylon.
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Post by foxjj on Aug 14, 2020 22:01:43 GMT
Peter quoting Joel was a way that Peter was saying look and see , understand these men are not drunk, but have been filled with the spirit. Just as the prophet Joel said when the day of the lord shall come. Peter was claiming the day has come by all the signs and wonders. The day of the lord was a judgment day and the climatic signs of the darkening light of the sun, moon and stars speakes metaphorical of tearing down of governing powers. Case in point of Babylon being judged in Isaiah 13:10. However that judgement might not been Peter's main point it seem his point in references was how the signs of these men were a sign of the day has come. A sign that Jesus was truly the Messiah. You bring up an interesting topic there Roger when you wrote: “A sign that Jesus was truly the Messiah.” Any further thoughts concerning Messiah?
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Post by journeyman on Aug 16, 2020 7:47:17 GMT
Luke 21 speaks about the day of the Lord, it relates to the time of great distress, climatic, catastrophic events as signs. When the prophets spoke of the day of the lord (day of judgment) they often spoke of these events in the heavens as a sign. However it only was meant to be metaphorical in description of the down fall of the governing powers . The Sun light govern the day, the Moon and Stars govern the night... These have been used metaphorical of the higher powers of the nations. For example the book of Daniel spoke of the stars from heaven been cast down to the ground, but it wasn;t literal. He spoke metaphorical of the light shown but the Priest that Antiochus IV had caused to stop their ability to lead and govern the people. As mentioned in Isaiah 13 the darkening of the sun, moon and stars was metaphorical of the down fall of Babylon. Thanks for your reply. Well, Jesus certainly overcame all governing powees on earth and in the spirit world.
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Post by princess on Aug 19, 2020 3:53:40 GMT
I was wondering if anyone had thoughts on why Peter cited a prophecy, apparently as a current reality, that many theologians ascribe to a yet future time. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: Acts 2:20 I'm wondering if we should interpret this prophecy to mean Christ being rejected (the sun turned to darkness) and his followers being persecuted (the moon into blood). Any thoughts? I don't think any credible theologian would claim those words are only a past or only a future event for the simple reason the disorder of the heavens and earth was used many times in the past to signify a disordered kingdom about to collapse....but everything also points to the ultimate final collapse.
The prophets were invoking the cosmological order explained in the opening chapters of Genesis but describe a disordered heavens and earth to illustrate a disordered kingdom about to fall under the weight of its immorality and corruption.
Ancient cosmologies were designed to explain the implicit function and order within the whole of something which is why the creation of humanity is represented by couples (not individuals) at the end of the Genesis cosmology. This means human sexuality is even bigger than a moral issue but a cosmological issue.
The reason some people believe individuals represent the creation of humanity is simple: liberalism. Liberals believe individuals are the smallest component of society even though individuals cannot reflect the characteristics of society. The family is the smallest component that society can be broken down into without losing the characteristics of society since every institution of society is contained in and came out of the family as society evolved.
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Post by mfox on Aug 20, 2020 3:30:01 GMT
I was wondering if anyone had thoughts on why Peter cited a prophecy, apparently as a current reality, that many theologians ascribe to a yet future time. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: Acts 2:20 I'm wondering if we should interpret this prophecy to mean Christ being rejected (the sun turned to darkness) and his followers being persecuted (the moon into blood). Any thoughts? Princess wrote I don't think any credible theologian would claim those words are only a past or only a future event for the simple reason the disorder of the heavens and earth was used many times in the past to signify a disordered kingdom about to collapse....but everything also points to the ultimate final collapse. The prophets were invoking the cosmological order explained in the opening chapters of Genesis but describe a disordered heavens and earth to illustrate a disordered kingdom about to fall under the weight of its immorality and corruption. Ancient cosmologies were designed to explain the implicit function and order within the whole of something which is why the creation of humanity is represented by couples (not individuals) at the end of the Genesis cosmology. This means human sexuality is even bigger than a moral issue but a cosmological issue. The reason some people believe individuals represent the creation of humanity is simple: liberalism. Liberals believe individuals are the smallest component of society even though individuals cannot reflect the characteristics of society. The family is the smallest component that society can be broken down into without losing the characteristics of society since every institution of society is contained in and came out of the family as society evolved.
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