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Post by beckrl on Aug 6, 2020 18:30:56 GMT
No. That what I've been saying. You can't read it that way. As noted Earth wasn't a word for the Hebrew. The word was land. One particular land that God "prepared", another word that has been translated poorly as created. After God prepared this land he placed Adam and Eve in it. Again Adam is allegorical of Israel being placed in the promised land . So then let me get this straight, are you saying that God did not create our world in Genesis, only prepared a land for Israel? Genesis nor any book of the Bible tells us of the creation of our Global world. What Genesis (Beginning ) tells us is the beginning of the generations of Israel. It's described how God prepared the sky and land, then prepared man and animals to inhabit that land. It relates how the generations of that sky and land sinned and was casted out ( taken into captivity ) unto death. That same imagery we find in an allegorical form in Ezekiel 37.
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Post by beckrl on Aug 6, 2020 18:36:24 GMT
No. That what I've been saying. You can't read it that way. As noted Earth wasn't a word for the Hebrew. The word was land. One particular land that God "prepared", another word that has been translated poorly as created. After God prepared this land he placed Adam and Eve in it. Again Adam is allegorical of Israel being placed in the promised land . Adam is represent of man not just Israel. You seem to make it all about Israel but the faithful were before Israel Then you find yourself having issues . As the issue of the Young Earth.. You have to believe that man came out of dust of the earth... You have to believe that a snake could talk and skilled enough to deceive. On and on...
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Post by mfox on Aug 6, 2020 18:57:01 GMT
Adam is represent of man not just Israel. You seem to make it all about Israel but the faithful were before Israel Then you find yourself having issues . As the issue of the Young Earth.. You have to believe that man came out of dust of the earth... You have to believe that a snake could talk and skilled enough to deceive. On and on... There is no issues there No one knows how old he earth is God formed man out of the dust and breathed life into him A spirit talked through a donkey to balam
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Post by beckrl on Aug 6, 2020 20:15:00 GMT
Then you find yourself having issues . As the issue of the Young Earth.. You have to believe that man came out of dust of the earth... You have to believe that a snake could talk and skilled enough to deceive. On and on... There is no issues there No one know show old he earth is God formed man out of the dust and breathed life into him A spirit talked through a donkey to balam So you accept the English translation of Earth rather than land?
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Post by foxjj on Aug 6, 2020 21:12:16 GMT
So then let me get this straight, are you saying that God did not create our world in Genesis, only prepared a land for Israel? Genesis nor any book of the Bible tells us of the creation of our Global world. What Genesis (Beginning ) tells us is the beginning of the generations of Israel. It's described how God prepared the sky and land, then prepared man and animals to inhabit that land. It relates how the generations of that sky and land sinned and was casted out ( taken into captivity ) unto death. That same imagery we find in an allegorical form in Ezekiel 37. Where do you get such unbiblical ideas from Roger? According to your ideas, the Bible becomes a book of fables. Consequently, God’s Word is no longer trustworthy because everything in it is an allegory. The reader no longer knows what is fact or fiction, therefore how can anyone trust its teachings. It’s amazing to think that down through history people trusted The Bible as a volume of inerrant truth, even to the point of its use in the court room.
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Post by beckrl on Aug 6, 2020 22:06:30 GMT
Genesis nor any book of the Bible tells us of the creation of our Global world. What Genesis (Beginning ) tells us is the beginning of the generations of Israel. It's described how God prepared the sky and land, then prepared man and animals to inhabit that land. It relates how the generations of that sky and land sinned and was casted out ( taken into captivity ) unto death. That same imagery we find in an allegorical form in Ezekiel 37. Where do you get such unbiblical ideas from Roger? According to your ideas, the Bible becomes a book of fables. Consequently, God’s Word is no longer trustworthy because everything in it is an allegory. The reader no longer knows what is fact or fiction, therefore how can anyone trust its teachings. It’s amazing to think that down through history people trusted The Bible as a volume of inerrant truth, even to the point of its use in the court room. This coming from the word Earth which wasn't even a word back then. Lexicon :: Strong's H776 - 'erets "Eretz" consistently and soley refers to arable land (and not planet earth), eg, Gen 1:1, 2, 10, 11, 12, 15, 17, 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 2:1. Further, "eretz" is explicitly defined in Gen 1:10 as arable ground.
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Post by foxjj on Aug 7, 2020 5:21:49 GMT
Again you did not answer my question Roger. Your quotation from Strongs does not answer my concerns regarding your unbiblical beliefs. We are a Bible believing forum promoting the Gospel message.
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Post by BlueSky on Aug 7, 2020 6:57:32 GMT
Adam is represent of man not just Israel. You seem to make it all about Israel but the faithful were before Israel Then you find yourself having issues . As the issue of the Young Earth.. You have to believe that man came out of dust of the earth... You have to believe that a snake could talk and skilled enough to deceive. On and on... There are no issues with a young earth, or from a straightforward reading of Genesis- far from it brother. More evidence than you can shake a stick at. ( seriously ) If mankind did not get made from the dust, ( as asserted in Genesis ) where DID we come from? Who were the first people on earth? ~Blue
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Post by mfox on Aug 7, 2020 13:16:42 GMT
There is no issues there No one know show old he earth is God formed man out of the dust and breathed life into him A spirit talked through a donkey to balam So you accept the English translation of Earth rather than land? I’m not sure why this matters my point is that no one knows how old the earth or the land we live on is. My three points still stand
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Post by foxjj on Aug 7, 2020 20:21:46 GMT
Where do you get such unbiblical ideas from Roger? According to your ideas, the Bible becomes a book of fables. Consequently, God’s Word is no longer trustworthy because everything in it is an allegory. The reader no longer knows what is fact or fiction, therefore how can anyone trust its teachings. It’s amazing to think that down through history people trusted The Bible as a volume of inerrant truth, even to the point of its use in the court room. This coming from the word Earth which wasn't even a word back then. Lexicon :: Strong's H776 - 'erets "Eretz" consistently and soley refers to arable land (and not planet earth), eg, Gen 1:1, 2, 10, 11, 12, 15, 17, 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 2:1. Further, "eretz" is explicitly defined in Gen 1:10 as arable ground. OK now Roger, my copy of Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance H 776 ‘erects, gives the meaning as to be firm, and as you inferred ground, country , nation’s. However it also gives the meaning as Earth and World. So once more I ask the question; where do you get your Unbiblical ideas?
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Post by BlueSky on Aug 7, 2020 23:04:59 GMT
I am sensing dispensationalism here.
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Post by BlueSky on Aug 7, 2020 23:10:47 GMT
(((((As we read the account of Genesis of the serpent in the Garden of Eden we come to find many supernatural, mythical indicators through literary devices describing the beginning of this creation story. The serpent is only one and all throughout the Ancient Near East we also can find the use of snakes in their religions and customs from Egypt, Canaanite to Babylon there have been images erected of snakes for worship or for gateways.
However in our study of creation in Genesis concerning this serpent we can deduct that through the many supernatural, mythical indicators that it’s more of a story in which one should understand as symbolical rather than attempt to read this story as an literal event, but to symbolize the condition of the Hebrew people in their land and how they sinned which brought about their being taken captive to Babylon. I would have you to also take into account that Genesis was most probably written during the captivity in Babylon or soon after. This shows that the writes were using allegorical devices to write about their people’s experiences during and through these events.))))
Hi Beckrl, this is quite the statement brother! I have allot of issues with what you’ve said here -would you be interested in hearing a slightly different way of looking at what you have found? I do realize that this is the prevalent view of the world, but it is a completely anti-biblical worldview when all available evidence is factored in.
I would be more than happy to explain to you but I want to gauge your sense of interest to her before I do.
Joel
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Post by beckrl on Aug 8, 2020 13:54:01 GMT
This coming from the word Earth which wasn't even a word back then. Lexicon :: Strong's H776 - 'erets "Eretz" consistently and soley refers to arable land (and not planet earth), eg, Gen 1:1, 2, 10, 11, 12, 15, 17, 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 2:1. Further, "eretz" is explicitly defined in Gen 1:10 as arable ground. OK now Roger, my copy of Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance H 776 ‘erects, gives the meaning as to be firm, and as you inferred ground, country , nation’s. However it also gives the meaning as Earth and World. So once more I ask the question; where do you get your Unbiblical ideas? The issue I have with the use of the translation as Earth it denotes the Globe when the ancient people never understood that concept. This is where I get my so called unbiblical ideas In every instance the word Earth has been translated you can much easier use to mean land or ground. Check any out and see.
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Post by beckrl on Aug 8, 2020 14:02:43 GMT
(((((As we read the account of Genesis of the serpent in the Garden of Eden we come to find many supernatural, mythical indicators through literary devices describing the beginning of this creation story. The serpent is only one and all throughout the Ancient Near East we also can find the use of snakes in their religions and customs from Egypt, Canaanite to Babylon there have been images erected of snakes for worship or for gateways. However in our study of creation in Genesis concerning this serpent we can deduct that through the many supernatural, mythical indicators that it’s more of a story in which one should understand as symbolical rather than attempt to read this story as an literal event, but to symbolize the condition of the Hebrew people in their land and how they sinned which brought about their being taken captive to Babylon. I would have you to also take into account that Genesis was most probably written during the captivity in Babylon or soon after. This shows that the writes were using allegorical devices to write about their people’s experiences during and through these events.)))) Hi Beckrl, this is quite the statement brother! I have allot of issues with what you’ve said here -would you be interested in hearing a slightly different way of looking at what you have found? I do realize that this is the prevalent view of the world, but it is a completely anti-biblical worldview when all available evidence is factored in. I would be more than happy to explain to you but I want to gauge your sense of interest to her before I do. Joel If you would create a new thread on this that would be fine, so not to get side tracked.
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Post by foxjj on Aug 8, 2020 16:32:32 GMT
OK now Roger, my copy of Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance H 776 ‘erects, gives the meaning as to be firm, and as you inferred ground, country , nation’s. However it also gives the meaning as Earth and World. So once more I ask the question; where do you get your Unbiblical ideas? The issue I have with the use of the translation as Earth it denotes the Globe when the ancient people never understood that concept. This is where I get my so called unbiblical ideas In every instance the word Earth has been translated you can much easier use to mean land or ground. Check any out and see. OK so what about the word World. That is also a meaning for H 776-‘erects. The danger of not believing in the Bible account of Adam and Eve as our first parents takes away from the Gospels message of Salvation through Jesus Christ. Which prompts me to ask where you stand spiritually, are you a believer in Jesus as your Savior?
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Post by mfox on Aug 8, 2020 16:37:38 GMT
OK now Roger, my copy of Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance H 776 ‘erects, gives the meaning as to be firm, and as you inferred ground, country , nation’s. However it also gives the meaning as Earth and World. So once more I ask the question; where do you get your Unbiblical ideas? The issue I have with the use of the translation as Earth it denotes the Globe when the ancient people never understood that concept. This is where I get my so called unbiblical ideas In every instance the word Earth has been translated you can much easier use to mean land or ground. Check any out and see. Which ever word it is or originally was it doesn’t discredit that god made Adam from it
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Post by mfox on Aug 8, 2020 16:40:20 GMT
So then let me get this straight, are you saying that God did not create our world in Genesis, only prepared a land for Israel? Genesis nor any book of the Bible tells us of the creation of our Global world. What Genesis (Beginning ) tells us is the beginning of the generations of Israel. It's described how God prepared the sky and land, then prepared man and animals to inhabit that land. It relates how the generations of that sky and land sinned and was casted out ( taken into captivity ) unto death. That same imagery we find in an allegorical form in Ezekiel 37. Sure Adam could of been a foretelling of what happened to Israel being taken out of the promised land but that doesn’t mean that Adam was a literal man who was literally banished from the garden of Eden it could be both
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Post by beckrl on Aug 8, 2020 20:10:03 GMT
The issue I have with the use of the translation as Earth it denotes the Globe when the ancient people never understood that concept. This is where I get my so called unbiblical ideas In every instance the word Earth has been translated you can much easier use to mean land or ground. Check any out and see. OK so what about the word World. That is also a meaning for H 776-‘erects. The danger of not believing in the Bible account of Adam and Eve as our first parents takes away from the Gospels message of Salvation through Jesus Christ. Which prompts me to ask where you stand spiritually, are you a believer in Jesus as your Savior? The Hebrew word 'tevel' for 'world' wasn't used in Genesis.
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Post by beckrl on Aug 8, 2020 20:19:47 GMT
Genesis nor any book of the Bible tells us of the creation of our Global world. What Genesis (Beginning ) tells us is the beginning of the generations of Israel. It's described how God prepared the sky and land, then prepared man and animals to inhabit that land. It relates how the generations of that sky and land sinned and was casted out ( taken into captivity ) unto death. That same imagery we find in an allegorical form in Ezekiel 37. Sure Adam could of been a foretelling of what happened to Israel being taken out of the promised land but that doesn’t mean that Adam was a literal man who was literally banished from the garden of Eden it could be both If the writer of Genesis didn't use so much literary devices to convey the story, but then again the writing time table would lean itself after the Babylon captivity where other creation stories were already known. Knowing this it seem like those Hebrews formed this creation story about themselves.
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Post by beckrl on Aug 8, 2020 20:39:41 GMT
Any other discussions of the seprent ? I would like to get back to my original post.
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