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Post by Jude on Apr 26, 2019 16:53:26 GMT
THE THEORY FROM HELLWhen we search for a reason for the fierceness (See 2 Tim. 3) of some of the politics today, we need look no further than Darwin’s theory of evolution. Since this new religion has replaced respect for a Creator, Paul’s list of perilous times described to Timothy is increasingly real. “Darwinism has had a devastating impact on society. Its ramifications reach into the deepest aspects of social life and culture,” writes Vance Ferrell in The Evolution Handbook. Evolution leaves man without a spirit —just another one of the animals. Thus, there is no right or wrong. And if “survival of the fittest” is the ultimate aim, then there is no room for the weak and powerless. They must be eliminated, fiercely if necessary. Attempting to adjust to the galloping effects of evolution has caused much of “Christianity” to become unbiblical. The first chapters of Genesis are consigned to poetry in many seminaries, replaced by a hybrid theory including the Big Bang. But Ferrell points out that if you accept the beginning to be the explosion of a tiny, highly compressed dot of matter and energy which swelled over billions of years to the existing cosmos, then you have to ignore the six days of Genesis. If this part of the Bible is wrong, can we trust John 3:16? It is hard to detail all the ways that evolution’s elimination of God affects our world. Since “science” has replaced God as the source of truth, one need only look at where this has taken us. Science says that preborn babies are only blobs of tissue; thus 60 million U.S. murders by abortion since Roe v Wade. (Some 40 million more are killed worldwide each year.) www.chick.com/battle-cry/article?id=the-theory-from-hell
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Post by BlueSky on Apr 29, 2019 23:54:14 GMT
You got it right Jude. The “theory of atheistic evolution” has caused more souls to be lost than I think any paradigm has in history. It’s a real crying shame on a level that can’t be expressed. The abortion issue makes me cry heavy tears, as I have seen more than most. Shocking does not even scratch the surface.
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Post by princess on May 4, 2019 19:27:08 GMT
Can you please provide a theory of how the heavens and earth were creates to people whose understanding of the world includes old earth, Big Bang or evolution?
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Post by BlueSky on May 5, 2019 20:54:52 GMT
Hi Princess, I personally can’t.
The actual age of the earth, I am personally open to modifications, but as for the age of humanity - that of Adam & Eve - as our beginning point cannot be hundreds of thousands, or millions anyway you slice it and the bible be true. Would you like to chat about this?
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Post by princess on May 6, 2019 6:14:01 GMT
If we cannot offer another alternative then why not use their understanding of the world.
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Post by foxjj on May 6, 2019 16:47:33 GMT
The complexity of our world is in itself an evidence for intelligent design. Observing our natural world creates in oneself an awe at the vital reasoning behind the annual cycle in our seasons. The advancement in science only gives more proof of intelligent design as it discovers deeper complexity’s in nature and life. Just consider DNA, what a complex design carrying out such vital work for life. The solar system is beyond our comprehension and, wonders of wonders our solitary planet is the only one suitable for life. All of the points to a designer. Their is only One who claims that title: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1)
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Post by BlueSky on May 6, 2019 22:42:37 GMT
If we cannot offer another alternative then why not use their understanding of the world. Well, the Biblical rendition explains it all, nicely, I ( we ) do not need to use their view in its entirety, ( but they have lots correct )
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Post by princess on May 7, 2019 0:42:44 GMT
Of course, what I mean is use people’s understabding of the world to communicate Gods truth. I am not trying to say evolution or Big Bang is truth. If the ancients in the near east believed the world existed on the back of a world turtle then the bible would have communicated the message through their understanding
Right now we are witnessing the last stages of western society and church due to a very powerful resurgence of a variant form of Gnosticism. Christianity is the most embodied religion on planet earth but it has no meaning or no purpose If it’s disembodied. It’s much easier to communicate to a creature with no soul instead of a creature who belives they are all soul imprisoned in a material body. Evolution or Big Bang may or may not be true but at least the conversation to planet earth. This is a starting point. From here a person can communicate the true glory of every creature of God is to fulfill the law of its being.
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Post by mfox on May 7, 2019 1:28:35 GMT
Of course, what I mean is use people’s understabding of the world to communicate Gods truth. I am not trying to say evolution or Big Bang is truth. If the ancients in the near east believed the world existed on the back of a world turtle then the bible would have communicated the message through their understanding Right now we are witnessing the last stages of western society and church due to a very powerful resurgence of a variant form of Gnosticism. Christianity is the most embodied religion on planet earth but it has no meaning or no purpose If it’s disembodied. It’s much easier to communicate to a creature with no soul instead of a creature who belives they are all soul imprisoned in a material body. Evolution or Big Bang may or may not be true but at least the conversation to planet earth. This is a starting point. From here a person can communicate the true glory of every creature of God is to fulfill the law of its being. How very ironic that Paul used this technique in the meeting with the same name as our website and it worked Acts 17:22-23 22 Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. 23 For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship—and this is what I am going to proclaim to you. I do believe that our western world culture is the hardest to penetrate
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Post by princess on May 7, 2019 1:40:32 GMT
The ship left the dock long ago and I firmly believe western society cannot be reached as a whole. This doesn’t mean we cannot teach individuals but there are too many walls to break down.
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Post by foxjj on May 7, 2019 2:49:41 GMT
Sadly I have to agree with you princess. Western society as a whole is to affluent and consequently people do not think that they need God as their lives are very comfortable thank you very much. To their way of thinking, “who needs an old fashioned religion when we have science to tell us how our world began.” Therefore we need to rely more on The Holy Spirit to guide us in our outreach. All is not lost for The Lord knows who will be saved. Remember the words of Jesus in Matt 19:25: “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Peter’s word’s to Timothy are also encouraging “He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,” (2Tim 1:9)
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Post by princess on May 7, 2019 4:30:11 GMT
Hi foxjj Thank you for the words of encouragement
You wrote:
“who needs an old fashioned religion when we have science to tell us how our world began.”
This can be an inroad because people hyper-focus on the "how' while they overlook the "what" and why"
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Post by journeyman on May 24, 2019 1:43:42 GMT
I never understood why believers care what people who claim God is limited have to say. That never made sense to me.
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Post by foxjj on May 24, 2019 6:39:17 GMT
I do not think that it’s a matter of caring what people say. We speak up to ensuring that the Truth is giving a chance to be heard.
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Post by journeyman on May 24, 2019 11:27:16 GMT
It seems to matter to Christians who get talked into believing God couldn't have created everything in six days because scientists say so.
Rom.1:20 plainly tells us that God only gave creation the appearance of looking very old.
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Post by foxjj on May 24, 2019 15:57:27 GMT
Sadly there are those who are influenced by science over God’s Word.
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Post by ted on May 24, 2019 17:06:15 GMT
The reliance on science is an extension of Gnostic thought/philosophy as well. The idea that if man can't understand something then it must not be so. Science helps us to understand (or at least think we do). God has many mysteries (meaning something of great depth) which are beyond human comprehension. For that matter God is beyond human comprehension. We describe God, the Father by the qualities of His Love etc and by the things that He is not. Yet we can't describe Him in totality. He is more vast than the creation which we occupy. Thus we have no concept for which to understand His greatness or vastness. Man can't even comprehend that for God there is no time, He is eternal. Thus God so loved us, that He gave His only begotten Son by which we may know God. John expresses this truth in his 14th chapter:
1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
------------------------------------- Science is limited. Very limited. Yet with that little knowledge we are able to modify the things of the material world to great effect. Yet we can't fully account for even the simplest of problems such as 3 objects interacting by gravity alone. That problem is unsolvable as it quickly decays into chaos. Meaning, our limited knowledge limits our predictive powers from the laws of motion; errors grow ever larger in just a short time because we can't know with enough exactness the masses or the motions of the bodies to propagate. When it comes to things of greater complexity, such as biological life, more and more assumptions are made and greater and greater is the limit of our knowledge due to the boundaries imposed by assumption. Most scientific fallacy comes from stepping outside of a restricting assumption. The most complex things man makes such as electronics are due to a process of trial and error and limited understanding. It is more a matter of brute engineering force (statistical repetition) than understanding why or why not something works. Most of us do not pay enough attention to detail to ever understand. And those who pay the most attention realize they are far too limited for the likings of the world's financiers. Science helps keep us confined so we don't stray too far off course yet scientists constantly reinvent the wheel all the time. I see this professionally. It is a sin of our egotism, that we don't recognize how limited we truly are. We can merely manipulators of the things God has created.
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Post by foxjj on May 24, 2019 20:38:48 GMT
Amen. Very well put Ted.
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Post by BlueSky on May 25, 2019 0:48:12 GMT
The reliance on science is an extension of Gnostic thought/philosophy as well. The idea that if man can't understand something then it must not be so. Science helps us to understand (or at least think we do). God has many mysteries (meaning something of great depth) which are beyond human comprehension. For that matter God is beyond human comprehension. We describe God, the Father by the qualities of His Love etc and by the things that He is not. Yet we can't describe Him in totality. He is more vast than the creation which we occupy. Thus we have no concept for which to understand His greatness or vastness. Man can't even comprehend that for God there is no time, He is eternal. Thus God so loved us, that He gave His only begotten Son by which we may know God. John expresses this truth in his 14th chapter: 1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. 15If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. ------------------------------------- Science is limited. Very limited. Yet with that little knowledge we are able to modify the things of the material world to great effect. Yet we can't fully account for even the simplest of problems such as 3 objects interacting by gravity alone. That problem is unsolvable as it quickly decays into chaos. Meaning, our limited knowledge limits our predictive powers from the laws of motion; errors grow ever larger in just a short time because we can't know with enough exactness the masses or the motions of the bodies to propagate. When it comes to things of greater complexity, such as biological life, more and more assumptions are made and greater and greater is the limit of our knowledge due to the boundaries imposed by assumption. Most scientific fallacy comes from stepping outside of a restricting assumption. The most complex things man makes such as electronics are due to a process of trial and error and limited understanding. It is more a matter of brute engineering force (statistical repetition) than understanding why or why not something works. Most of us do not pay enough attention to detail to ever understand. And those who pay the most attention realize they are far too limited for the likings of the world's financiers. Science helps keep us confined so we don't stray too far off course yet scientists constantly reinvent the wheel all the time. I see this professionally. It is a sin of our egotism, that we don't recognize how limited we truly are. We can merely manipulators of the things God has created.
Nicely said Ted, spot on imo
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 3:20:48 GMT
Can I jump in here? One of the reasons why evilution is so popular these days is because it does explain life without God. If there is no God, then there is no answering to a God. And if there is no answering to a God, then we can do whatever we want and whenever we want to.
Some people - usually those who do not believe in God - explain life away with beliefs like "party hardy" or " rock and roll until you die and then you turn into compost". Fine examples of doing and thinking wrong thought all the time. I'm one of these old fashioned guys who believe that your soul and my soul will live forever. So, it isn't a matter of whether or not, your soul will live or not but rather it is WHERE your soul is going to live forever.
Make sense?
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